On 10/9/12 5:21 PM, "Kypros" <director@the-nagshead-pub.com <x-msg://63/director@the-nagshead-pub.com> > wrote:
Hello mark
Thank you for ur quick reply. Here is a sample of my menu. Is quite big. I want to make it smaller and break it down to 2 or even 3 . I will appreciate any suggestions. I can sent you a product mix just to see what I sell more or less.
Kypros Kyprianou

On 10 Oct 2012, at 02:15, Mark Laux wrote:
Re: Nags Menu - Engineering, Etc.
Hi Kypros:
OK, thanks for sending me your menu. It’s not so much big as it is HUGE. How do you manage all that?
To make it smaller, we can accomplish that in two ways. First, you would probably delete a few items and secondly, you could probably rearrange the categories to make better use of less space.
Do you use metric increments or English inches? That will help us better understand the standard sizes for printing the menu. And is this menu in some kind of a menu jacket? If so, do you want to keep using them? And if yes, we’ll need to know what size they are. If no, we can make the menu the correct size for you.
The photos are those yours and can we use them in our design?
The name of the business and the menu don’t match very well, so I would offer a suggestion to change the look of the name, etc. But if you are already using that for a sign or something we can fit it in and still make it fit your brand a little better.
You don’t have menu descriptions for most of the items you’re trying to sell – this is a mistake. Your guests need to know more about the items you sell, it will help them spend more more often and like the food better.
How we charge is time and materials. This is a very large menu, so that adds to the time. Plan on about 17 hours of art direction, another 10 hours of copy and menu engineering and then about 4 hours of creative direction. The hourly amounts are 75.00 per hour for design, 95.00 per hour for writing and engineering and 125.00 per hour for creative direction. All prices are in USD, so you will have an advantage in the exchange rate.
We charge via credit card, Master, Visa or American Express. We would need 1/3 down to start, we automatically take an additional 1/3 after 15 days and the final payment must be made before we take the watermarks out of any of the work we produce. You may have the work product if you like. We work in Creative Suite, so if you don’t have those programs none of our work product will do you mush good, but any local printer you may work with will be able to help you open and make changes if you would like.
You will make more money with our menu than you will with nearly any other menu. This is not a boast, it is a fact. So if you would like to make more money, this is the best place to start.
If this is acceptable, we will make a really great menu for you. I’ll get you a creative contract and you can fill it out and fax it back to us and we’ll get your project scheduled!
And thanks for thinking of HotOperator,
Mark
You will make more money with our menu than you will with nearly any other menu. This is not a boast, it is a fact. So if you would like to make more money, this is the best place to start.
On 10/9/12 7:27 PM, "Kypros" <director@the-nagshead-pub.com> wrote:
Hi Mark :)
So is huge:) I can suggest we can break it down to 2 menus . Snack and main menu. We can delete some items or a lot when u see the product mix report . I will try not to interfere with your ideas cause after all i come to you cause you can deliver me the best :) Isn't it ? So i will try to answer u all ur questions.
We use metric increments. What i use at the moment am not happy with it so am looking for a whole new design and structure.
The photos are mine and i can sent you a lot more to choose from .
You can change the way the name looks .
I agree we need to add descriptions in the new menu.
So at the end....
Come on Mark tell me the best price you can offer me. :) My menu is Big but not my business :) Is a small family business so my budget is not that high. Am looking forward for your kind offer :)
Kypros
From: Mark Laux [mailto:mlaux@laux.com]
Sent: 10 October 2012 16:51
To: Kypros
Cc: Kelly Laux
Subject: Re: Nags Menu - Engineering, Etc.
Importance: High
Dear Kypros:
I absolutely understand your business is small and your budget is tight. I also understand the menu undertaking is a very complex and time consuming process. Here is what you are asking, and I’ll try to sum this up for both of us. Can I do it for less money? Sure, I can do it for a lot less. I can make a menu for free, but I can’t do that for long. My business isn’t very larger either, and I’ve explained how we work on a menu. So that leaves us with only two ways to achieve the goal of offering a menu for less money.
I’ve mentioned that a menu your size and with the work it needs, the menu will take about 31 hours to complete. I mentioned that creative direction and consulting with you will take about 4 hours, design – engineering will take another 17 hours, and that writing your menu, and I’ll point this out again, you don’t have any text, so we have to write all that from scratch, will add an additional 10 hours. Maybe we’re slow, but I don’t think so. We’re thorough, though, and that you can depend on.
So one way we can develop your menu cheaper is to sell our hours for less money. In other words, just charge you less for every hour we work. I’m not incline to do that. I think we’re worth the same money per hour as an auto mechanic or a roofer, so I’m not willing to lower our rates below that. I’d like to get the same money per hour as an attorney or a doctor, but I’m not that greedy, and I realize the menu isn’t life or death. I think the amount we charge per hour is fair. If you disagree, you may find another menu company that is willing to work for less per hour and you are welcome to offer them the project.
Another way we can lower the cost is to sell you fewer hours. I’ve been in this business for more than a quarter of a century and one thing I’m very good at is estimating the time it will take to do something like this. As it sits, I need the 31 hours at minimum to complete the job. However, you may do as much of the project for us as you like and in that way, we don’t need to spend as much time working on your menu. As an example, you can develop all of the menu text and we’ll use that. Or we can just edit the text once it’s done, and that would save about half the time. You can do some of the design, too. All of this will save money.
But the problem for you is you need our expertise to make the menu make you more money. As I pointed out, a menu made by my team will make you more money per day, per ticket than any other menu you can buy for the same money. So while you’re looking for a lower price, you must also consider how much less you want to make in your business. Because each time you take money out of this system you also take more out of your system. The two are tied together and inseparable. Back to the doctor or attorney, it’s like saying to them: “Yea, I get it, you want to remove all the cancer, but I’m going to save a little money so just take out half and I’ll do the rest on my own.” Good luck with that.
Let me know what you would like to do.
Kindest regards,
Mark
So while you’re looking for a lower price, you must also consider how much less you want to make in your business. Because each time you take money out of this system you also take more out of your system. The two are tied together and inseparable.
Dear Mark
You just shot me in the heartJ
I came to you cause am expecting a great result. I didn’t come to you for a cheap work. At the other hand and with the crisis we are going through money are tied. And am not just saying that to make you feel sorry for me J.. So mark . can you put me down the final numbers (total) to deliver me the WHOAOOOOOOOOOOOO menu ? J I have something in word format of my menu if you want me to sent it to you.
So am waiting from you the invoice J
Kypros